September 17, 2008

Omaha’s Pit Bull Plan

Category: Opinion — jerry @ 11:07 am

According to this morning’s OMAHA WORLD HERALD, we now have four councilmen backing the mayor’s proposal to resolve the carnage by 1) requiring the dogs to wear muzzles some of the time (that will soothe them), and 2) require owners to have “substantial” liability insurance.

In other words: “We know these dogs are going to continue to kill and mutilate your children–can’t you at least have some money handy for the kids?”

Come on: pit bull owners don’t even carry insurance on their mobile homes!

I’m a dog lover, but I’m not a pit bull lover.  I’m sure some of my readers have the sweetest, gentlest and cutest little pit bulls ever, but in general this is a more vicious breed than most.

I believe there should be a complete ban of the breed in Omaha.  Pit bull owners: maybe the upcoming plan will motivate you to save some money by selling “Killer” and replacing him with a poodle or a Yorkie.

And then maybe you can pick up some of that trailer insurance…


  1. fuck you …and i like the racist remarks towards poor people or what ur kind of people call “hillbilly rednecks” with the trailer stuff so i figure ur either black or a very rich white guy either way fuck you if you people want my dog you have to come get it and i wish u the best of luck cause its not going to happen

    Comment by jj — December 19, 2010 @ 4:06 pm

  2. JJ, thank you for your input. “Rich white guy”, since you asked.

    Dog lover, too.

    Just not pit bulls, and yes–I do have an stereotype in my mind as to what kind of person would be adamant about owning a pit bull.

    And you haven’t disappointed…

    Comment by jerry — December 19, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

  3. Im not a piece of trailer trash, to the opposite I am acually a vet. of the Iraq war. I love pitbulls, why would u blame a breed of dog of the ones that are trained to attack, i could buy a great dane and train it the same way so would you try and do the same thing to great danes? Either way its stupid and good luck trying to get my pit, i fought for the country and your rich ass, I will fight for my pit.

    Comment by Me — March 22, 2011 @ 6:30 pm

  4. That article certainly is a good way to confirm your stupidity and lack of education. A certain TYPE of person or social class isn’t predominant to owning a certain type of dog.

    Clearly you are uneducated on the breed(probably just another irresponsible dog owner)but I will try to keep my personal opinions to myself. I love all dogs, I am a DOG lover, I DO NOT however love all dog owners. People like you posting stories like this create unneeded media frenzy, on a subject you clearly have NO experience in, and since you have no experience in Pit Bulls, all you are really doing is showing the rest of the world what a pompous windbag you really are.

    1) There are MANY types of bull dogs, just as there many types of dogs. All are weapons in the hands of an irresponsible owner.

    2) Voicing that a certain stereotype of person would own a bulldog, is like saying all rich white guys are ignorant assholes.

    3) I cant wait to share your narrow minded outlook on the bulldog, with my many friends on the internet, and Facebook. Hoping that you have a facebook page as well. Then you can really find out what certain stereotype owns a bulldog.

    Comment by Dawn — May 30, 2011 @ 6:41 pm

  5. Okay, Dawn. I’ll look forward to it!

    Comment by jerry — May 30, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  6. Of all the hot-button, divisive issues discussed on this blog, this pit bull one seems to be the most controversial. Go figure.

    Comment by Adam — May 30, 2011 @ 8:44 pm

  7. Dear Jerry,
    After careful consideration with my finger on the share button, I realized that spreading your opinion, is just furthering your cause, and lowering myself to your level. So enjoy your opinions, I’ll enjoy mine. Make sure your Yorkie doesn’t get eaten. LOL

    Comment by Dawn — May 31, 2011 @ 11:26 am

  8. BTW…the image you are using in this blog is NOT a Pit Bull, it’s an Italian Cane Corso. Education is extremely important don’t you think?

    Comment by Dawn — May 31, 2011 @ 11:33 am

  9. Generalizations are dangerous animals. Pit Bulls are not necessarily. We are not all trailer trash, gang bangers or even inbred rednecks. We run the spectrum. The problem with Pit Bulls is the failure of society. We animal lovers work hard to redeem the image of the Pit Bull by being responsible handlers. It is not an easy road, but one well worth taking. They are good dogs, they are smart dogs. The sad fact is, they are also loyal to a fault, and that is what has been used against them to destroy their lives and their image. My guess is you have your share of inner city problems in Omaha, but punishing one breed does nothing to abate the societal problems you or any other city has.

    Comment by gjwriter — May 31, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  10. I am not only offended by your narrow-minded and appalling stereotyped ‘pit bull owner,’ I couldn’t be any further from your obviously biased and ignorant opinion. My husband and I are both highly successful post-graduate-educated adults working in Washington, DC. We own TWO homes and live peacefully and happily with a full-blooded American Pit Bull Terrier and are searching for another to adopt. We’ve had both labs and retrievers, and we both agree that we would never own another dog if it weren’t a pit bull. They are highly intelligent, incredibly dedicated, and endearingly sweet dogs. It will be interesting when the media decides to move on to persecute another breed. The 80’s had the Doberman, the 90’s had the Rottweiler; it’s time for the new millennium to breed awareness and education, not biased hate. You weren’t even researched enough to know that your photo isn’t of a pit bull. It would have been priceless to see the look on your face when you realized were corrected by ‘white trash’ readers.


    Comment by kelli — May 31, 2011 @ 12:56 pm

  11. Jerry,
    Your ignorance is actually amazing. For an individual to discriminate against people and breeds of dog is indicative of a uneducated, narrow minded, unsocialized fool who does not know not what they are talking about.
    Secondly, if you are going to post a blog about a pit bull, please post a photo of a pit bull and not a cane corso, (they are two different breeds, as you clearly do not know), that however gave me a chuckle as it highlighted your stupidity even further.
    I however I propose all stupid people wear a muzzle, and hopefully they be banned from our cities and towns.

    Comment by Kaitlin — May 31, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

  12. My my Jerry you are certainly an arrogant, uneducated son of a bitch aren’t you? It’s a shame people like you are allowed to speak on topics they clearly have no legitimate insight into, I sincerely hope you do some further research on your hate spree and don’t find yourself faced with an insulted ‘mobile home’ owner who disagrees with your complete ridiculousness. Best wishes asshole.

    Comment by A — May 31, 2011 @ 2:31 pm

  13. Yikes! Dawn has a lot of friends!

    Okay, I’m ignorant enough to have posted a picture of the wrong breed. And I probably went just a tiny bit too far in painting pit bull owners as typically “white trash”. For that I’ll apologize.

    But I stand by my opinion that many dogs of this breed (and the breed pictured–and rottweilers, etc.) kill children and enjoy doing so. Even the fluffy sweet ones that you folks enjoy having lick your faces.

    And you can send them to all of the doggy charm schools you want, and train them in the backyards of your mansions (you guys not living in trailer parks and all) all you want…and your beloved animal is still going to be just 2 seconds away from enjoying biting off the face of a toddler if it escapes from the luxury of your expansive and well-groomed estates.

    Because…IT IS WHO THEY ARE!

    I love dogs–but I will never be so ignorant as to own one that enjoys killing children. Hundreds of serious dog attacks occur every year and pit bulls attack more than any other breed.

    Comment by jerry — May 31, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

  14. It’s truly sad that you are amused by this. I suppose pit bulls enjoy killing people as much as you enjoy displaying your lack of intellect, education and overall intelligence, just because some asshole (like yourself) created a website stating that pit bulls attack more than other breeds, doesn’t deem it true. The more fools in this world (like yourself) who believe that bullshit, the harder our struggle will be to prove you idiots are in fact, plain idiots. But struggle we shall, for we have compassion for these animals who are nothing but victims of their circumstance, and assholes like yourself.

    Comment by A — May 31, 2011 @ 3:00 pm

  15. I agree with A. I was going to say a lot more, but you’ve convinced me that you are not worth the discussion. You rank right up there with Nancy Grace. What a shame.

    Comment by gjwriter — May 31, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

  16. Oh yes pit bulls enjoy killing, with their metal teeth and jaws which lock, it appears to me that you are believing the social stereotype of this loyal, loving breed. All dogs have the potential to attack. The American Testing Society conducted temperment tests on all dog breeds and pitties were in the 86 percentile meaning that 80+ tested passed the temperment test, this is very high, especially when it is compared with so called family dogs Chihuhuas scored 71% and Golden Retrievers scored 71%. Here is the link

    Comment by Kaitlin — May 31, 2011 @ 3:08 pm

  17. Also many pit bulls work as registered therapy dogs,

    Comment by Kaitlin — May 31, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  18. Kaitlin, even if the average pit bull is twice as nice as a Yorkie, pit bulls kill when they attack–Yorkies don’t.

    My continued ignorance comes from reading the stats at

    Show me where they are wrong…

    Comment by jerry — May 31, 2011 @ 3:36 pm

  19. Sorry Jer. . .I am not your typical profiled pitty owner, infact we house 3. We have a 6 figure income, live in a 350,000 home that we own. Most pit owners have more than one because they are sensational dogs. You should get out more.

    Comment by Linda — May 31, 2011 @ 3:59 pm

  20. I have heard of a story where a little 2 year old girl got her ear ripped off by her family golden retriever, and yorkie bite can cause serious damage to a young child. All dogs have the potential to be dangerous to all people. I make my judgement on the behavior of the individual animal, breed does not matter. Like all dogs if they are raised properly they can be fantastic dogs. Have a look at the first link I posted about the temperment scores of different dogs. Also there was a story from CA where a pit bull saved his owners life when the house was on fire. The stats on dogsbite are scary and do put pit bulls into a negative light, but please keep your mind open about them as not all of them are like that. Pit bulls used to be known as the “babysitter” due to their gentle and loyal nature And if you do not agree with me, please hold onto one thing I say “all dogs can be dangerous”, but dont obsess over it and have fun with your dog.

    Comment by Kaitlin — May 31, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  21. I’d also wager that, in addition to the statistics showing pit bulls and their ilk causing most of the fatal and non-fatal attacks, that they are in fact a minority breed. This makes the statistics even more shocking.

    All dogs can be dangerous, Kaitlin, but I’m more likely to be killed by a pit bull than any other dog. I don’t want them around me.

    Comment by C — May 31, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  22. Thats the same attitude i get all the time with my three dogs. Well let me tell u something u ignorant bastard. One of my dogs saved my life and i would do anything to save theirs. Instead of banning the breed and puttin all owners into the catagory of trailor trash or project people come spend a week in my home with my three. Why dont you do something smart for a change like offer training courses for first time owners so they dont make the mistakes that causes these gentle and loving creatures to turn. Why cant you polititions put yourself in our shoes. These animals are our family and we will fight for family! And just so u know if you bann pit bulls u have to bann chihuahs too. I have been viciously shoe attacked by several of them in my life but never a pit bull. And i have been around them my whole life

    Comment by erin sutton — May 31, 2011 @ 6:44 pm

  23. Actually, there is no such breed as a “pit bull”. There are several breeds that are considered “pit bull type dogs”, which are the American Pitbull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier. All of these breeds, including several other breeds such as the American bulldog (or any large-headed, stocky dog with short hair), are often called “pit bulls”, which leads to inaccurate reports and statistics. Because there is not a true “pit bull” breed, the number of actual pit bull type dogs is not likely to be representative of the actual number of dogs there are, leading to them being called a “minority breed”. The tendency for the public to assume a dog is a pit bull when in fact it may be any of a number of different breeds, also leads to and over-representation of “pit bulls” in bite statistics. Aside from, which does offer horrific statistics, there are many statistics that show that, while pit bulls are more frequently involved in bite incidences, they are not the most commonly involved breed. I did a research paper a few months ago on the topic and found that German Shepherds ranked higher in bite statistics in virtually every study I read (except for, which in reality seems like a sensationalized and biased website).

    I agree that pit-bull type dogs have a potential to be dangerous, even fatal, but so does any breed of dog. Instead of performing an “ethnic cleansing” on the dog scale, we need to promote and enforce responsible pet ownership. As loathe as I am to say it, I believe that there is a stereotypical owner of pit bull type dogs and that they tend to be irresponsible pet owners who don’t train or socialize their animals, don’t get them spayed or neutered and don’t monitor them responsibly. While that may be true, there are also many responsible pet owners who take fantastic care of their pets and truly make them ambassadors for the breed.

    Check into other websites, besides
    There is a rescue/rehab organization for pit-bull type dogs called Our Pack, Inc. and they have an amazing foster, training and adoption program. It’s programs like that which need to be promoted, not mass euthanasia. I tell everyone who is adamantly against pit bulls that they should volunteer at an animal shelter for a month and then see how they feel. Working with the breed can and will change your mind about them.

    Comment by Cass — May 31, 2011 @ 7:16 pm

  24. Kaitlin, kudos to you for at least being respectful and staying on topic–the rest of your “group” lives…down…to what my stereotype of pit bull owners is. You don’t.

    Clearly all these folks love their own dogs. I have always loved mine, too. But there is a certain mindset–and I’m not including you, Kaitlin–that wants to have a dog that can kill, rather than just any old dog to love. I see some of that mindset in the belligerence of the other folks in your group here.

    Every owner of a “pit-bull-like dog” (I hope that satisfies you breed purists) who went on to kill a child or senior citizen said the same kind of thing I’m reading here: “…such a sweet dog…I never would have thought it would have done such a thing…”

    Dogs can be sweet–toddlers not so much. Toddlers get a kick out of tormenting dogs. And as a consequence dogs like to nip at them. Pit bulls like to kill them.

    Comment by jerry — May 31, 2011 @ 8:26 pm

  25. “Oh yes pit bulls enjoy killing, with their metal teeth and jaws which lock, it appears to me that you are believing the social stereotype of this loyal, loving breed. All dogs have the potential to attack. The American Testing Society conducted temperment tests on all dog breeds and pitties were in the 86 percentile meaning that 80+ tested passed the temperment test, this is very high, especially when it is compared with so called family dogs Chihuhuas scored 71% and Golden Retrievers scored 71%. Here is the link

    Of course all dogs have the potential to attack. Breeds other than pit bull type dogs maybe even (as a generalization) have shorter fuses, but it is so much less likely for a golden retriever to permanently maim or kill another dog or a person once he/she decides to attack than it is for a pit bull type dog.

    And really, stats don’t “do it” for me anymore. There are stats to back up pretty much any claim anyone decides to make. I speak from experience and observation.

    I agree that there are good and bad owners out there too. However, even good owners have to respect what a dog was originally bred for and respect that NATURE can kick in at any time no matter how well-trained or well-raised an animal is.

    I also believe that stereotypes are steeped in truth. They have to come from somewhere. Fortunately, not EVERYONE that belongs to a certain group represents a stereotype to a T. But, UNFORTUNATELY for all groups who’ve been stereotypes, the most vocal often do.

    Comment by Morgetron — June 1, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  26. *stereotyped

    Comment by Morgetron — June 1, 2011 @ 10:37 am

  27. How timely:

    Comment by Jerry — June 3, 2011 @ 8:27 am

  28. I think sterotypes are a societies perception of a particular group, be it human or animal. Stereotypes are seldom true, like racism and racist views hold one ethnicity as better than the other, and view one ethnicity as lazy, criminal etc this is not true. Stereotypes about peoples ethnicity for example are by no means true, so Im thinking why should the stereotypes we put on dog breeds be any different?
    Years ago the pit bull was regarded as the nanny dog, I wonder where and why are they now so feared?
    I know and have owned pitties and they were so loveable, with their big goofy grin and gentle nature. I also have owned yorkies, a corgi, and an australian kelpie, GSD X, who were just as loveable.
    Mogreton re stats I suppose people do think it is good to back up their statemnt with a study which was conducted. And as different organizations test for different variables, different results are obtained. Like the stats which were highlighted by Jerry and I tested different variables, so naturally we would have different results. How biased each of the studies were in achieving those results I cant tell.
    Can I ask the people who do not like pit bulls a question? I am just wondering . Was it personal experiences or media reports which influenced your belief?

    Comment by Kaitlin — June 4, 2011 @ 9:43 am

  29. Kaitlin, I have had personal experiences where other people’s large dogs have frightened me. I think most people have had something like that happen in their lifetime–taking a walk and a large unknown dog starts barking at you.

    You love pit bulls because you own one and, apparently, have one that has never attacked you or anyone you know. That’s terrific.

    I am taking my position based on independent facts in the media (did you read the link just above your last comment–the event that occured in Omaha the day after you guys started writing here?)–not just my personal love for my very own small, affectionate little pet.

    Your promotion of this breed because you happen to love your own pet is not related to the facts, not related to the deaths and disfigurements of so many folks as reported over and over again in the media.

    Again, all dogs are capable of biting–only a few breeds are capable of killing, and pit bulls kill more than any other breed. And the naivete of the pit bull community–as evidenced by your friends who have commented here–only makes things more dangerous due to their relaxation of due care.

    Comment by Jerry — June 4, 2011 @ 10:25 am

  30. I don’t really care about this issue, but saw this link on Fark just now, so I figured I would post it just to keep this argument going and keep me entertained.

    Comment by Adam — June 4, 2011 @ 1:25 pm

  31. The carnage continues:

    Comment by Jerry — June 15, 2011 @ 1:27 pm

  32. While any dog attack is sad. But I wonder why did he have a dog chained? No everyday pet owner would do such a thing. The image of a pit bull chained in the yard provokes images of an abused dog, one denied social interaction and trained to attack. I would never chain any dog and I am sure either would you. (regardless of dog breed) The man attacked was sentenced to 7 years in prison after a high speed chase that ended with Haigler repeatedly ramming a Spotsylvania deputy’s cruiser before approaching the officers with a drawn gun, no shots were fired. He was later convicted as a felon, possessing a fire arm while in possession of cocaine,felony eluding, hit and run and driving on a suspended license. So he sounds like an all around nice law biding citizen.

    Comment by Kaitlin — June 15, 2011 @ 4:04 pm

  33. If puts are so terrible why doesnt law enforcement angencies use them instead of german sheperds or other dogs of that type. Since pits are vastly more intelagent and more athletic than most other breeds. Maybe that means pits are not so terrible after all, i mean besidea all of the face licking out of love and not because they are trying to see what you taste like. And just to let you know that cute puppy on the bag of dog food you just bought your yorkie, you know that white puppy with the brown spot on his face is most likely one of the six breeds of dogs that fall into the pitbull catagory. So in the end fuck you and your yorkie

    Comment by corey — October 17, 2011 @ 11:49 pm

  34. LOL … been a little while since I have visited here Jerry … you sure stirred up a sh*t storm on that post . I could have told you as much . Breed “specific” bans are the height of bureaucratic stupidity . I put the “specific” part in quotation marks because once enacted all the mental midgets in charge do is use them to harass every dog owner THEY think “looks like” they own “bad” breed .

    I will bet I could bring you a dozen dogs that “look like” a “pit bull” and you couldn’t tell one from another . Yet you seem intent on pretending you know more about breeds you couldn’t tell apart than the people who own them . The reason for that is simple … but I will let you ponder for yourself why that is 😉

    When I was a youngster I remember watching the LIL Rascals and their dog , Pete the (Pit bull) Pup . ( Odd choice of a companion for kids … you know … a “known” child killer and all)

    Back when I was young EVERYONE just knew ” (it was “fact” after all ) that it was those German Shepherds you had to watch out for . Why them things would just go berserk for no reason and kill people . I heard the Nazis used them even !!!! Them dogs were crazy I tell you .

    Well … they were crazy until Hollywood started in on the Doberman craze in the 70s … and then … why suddenly German Shepherds underwent a genetic transformation that made them safe to own . ( sadly Dobermans mutated briefly into “proven” man killers )

    Now Jerry … I know you aren’t a bad fellow … and you fancy yourself ( like most libs 😉 ) as a reasonably well educated and open minded guy . My question to you is … which breed is it you see threatening us “trailer trash” the most twenty years from now ? Please let me know in advance so I don’t get the urge to own one 😉

    Comment by gmeeks — October 20, 2011 @ 2:02 am

  35. Nice to see you again, gmeeks, although I’m sorry it is for a subject we disagree so much on.

    If I may draw a parallel to investing, here’s how I decide what stocks to buy…and what breed of dog to buy: it’s all about math. People should try not to buy stocks that may fail; people should try not to buy dogs that may maim or kill. I understand that most pitbulls will never kill or maim. But statistically, they are much more likely to. When I weigh the costs and benefits– on the bright side I have a dog that wags its tail at me and licks my face with genuine love (as virtually any breed does); but on the negative side, the dog will scare the heck out of any intelligent neighbor of mine and just might end up hurting or killing someone. Let’s see: probably not much more benefit than owning a loving dog from another breed, versus several hundred percent more risk (as I recall) of mutilation or death for someone…albeit unlikely. I’ve done the assessment and I’ve done well in the stock market–and, thus far, avoided mutilation or death at the hands of a pit bull (or comparable breed–yes, I don’t know my breeds. I just know when to run! And, no–I wouldn’t own a German Shepherd either.)

    My remark about “trailer trash” was probably over-the-top (I actually priced mobile homes myself the other day, looking at second home options now that I’m retired), and if that genuinely offended, I apologize. It was a reaction to what I was seeing here in Omaha with these attacks tending to be “localized” in stereotypically blighted areas.

    Comment by jerry — October 20, 2011 @ 8:10 am

  36. Nah … the phrase trailer trash doesn’t offend me . Us trailer trash are made of tougher stock than that .

    Of course you DO realize that certain section of the African American community finds dog fighting and abusing dogs until they become dangerous appealing don’t you ? I suspect if someone referred in any way to anything involving ghettos you would suddenly be a good lib and tell us not to stereotype 🙂

    As far as finding this post to comment on … it was just up on the side and I clicked it . You are a lib … I am a conservative . Using your numbers based analysis the odds would be high that any post on here picked at random would be one we disagree on .

    This is your home and I don’t begrudge a man speaking his mind in his own home . I do like your quirky news or offbeat post on things like music ( unless it involves the bongo beating anti-American boneheads on Wall Street or some witty point you think Rachel Maddow made hehehe )

    I will say the Disney Menstruation film was just … creepy in an anachronistic sort of way ( which time frame is out of whack I will leave up to you LOL)

    To close off this rambling I will say that yes … some breeds can be dangerous in the hands of buffoons . The Fila Brasileiro ( one most TV drones haven’t been taught to fear yet 🙂 ) actually has a distaste for strangers bred into it to the point that biting a judge at a dog show is not a disqualifying offense ( lack of control by the owner can be … but judges know and are warned to be careful poking around on this breed hehehe )

    Where you and I differ is your response is NOT to hold irresponsible owners accountable and say … punish them severely . Your response is ” take everyone’s rights away” including the overwhelming majority of responsible owners . Create more rules and more bureaucracy is always the liberal creed .

    That MIGHT be okay in some cases that where policy is well thought out . It rarely is . Libs live on emotion based arguments and love trying to dictate through government fiat what other folks can or can’t do based often on THEIR drummed up fears dressed up as “facts” .

    Take gun control for instance . I noticed you have referenced the “Freakonomics” blog here . Did you ever read the section in their first book where they posed the simple question … which is more dangerous to your child … a firearm in your home or a pool in your backyard ? That is a “no brainer” for most well indoctrinated liberals on the dangers of eveil firearms .

    If you haven’t that section I referred to… maybe you should . They go through the numbers and frankly make gun control freaks looks stupid when they yell ” it is all about safety for the children” but never worry one bit about pools ( the numbers weren’t even in the same universe … pools = threat … firearms in a home = not so much ) Mention guns at a liberal pool party and watch which one that freak out over though 😉

    One other thing … I do agree that a large dog can be frightening . A large dog out of control can be life threatening . You are a lawyer ( and a lib ) so I assume you have heard the name Atticus Finch . Maybe you remember or maybe you don’t where ol Atticus was confronted by the mad dog that threatened everyone on the street … his children included .

    Now a modern day Atticus from the ACLU who abhors guns or people who own them wouldn’t have the ability to handle that situation ( short of calling police on a cell phone and waiting 20 to 30 minutes till they got there 😉 ) The original Atticus though was more than able to handle the situation for the well being of everyone involved . As his surprised daughter was informed “your dad is the best shot in the county ”

    Maybe what you need instead of a ban on any dog larger than a chihuahua is some range time and a carry permit to help out with your fear of large dogs 😉

    Anyway jerry I will drop by here occasionally and check up with you ( I am sure you realllly look forward to it LOL )Maybe next time I can find a more neutral subject between us to comment on ( where is the fun in that though ? )

    Hope everything is going well for you and yours

    Comment by gmeeks — October 21, 2011 @ 3:23 am

  37. No problem, gmeeks. Most of my friends are conservatives (having lunch with one today), and I’ve always found your arguments intelligent and polite–unless we happen to be discussing Nebraska football. 🙂

    I thought you might draw a parallel with gun ownership and pit bulls, and I think that’s actually a good analogy. I’m not a “gun lover”, but I am a dog lover. So,yes–as a liberal I’d like to see reasonable regulation of guns and dogs. And pools. I have a pool (I wouldn’t have one if I had small children), and I observe the regulations regarding fence height, etc.–even though that takes away my “freedom”. Frankly, I have always had a (probably irrational) fear of a pool accident (I was a lifeguard for 6 years in my youth) and would not have a house with one again.

    Anyway, nice to see you around here again. How’s the investing going? (Maybe that’s why we’re both crabby?!!)

    Comment by jerry — October 21, 2011 @ 8:50 am


    Comment by PITBULL LOVER — October 29, 2011 @ 11:30 am

  39. I can’t tell you how much the level of discourse has convinced me that I am right on this issue. (Or at the very least, that pit bull ownership does indeed seem to attract a certain mentality–with, of course, some exception as have weighed in here with some intelligence and courtesy).

    Plus, I have come out of my mother’s basement long enough to figure out where the Caps Lock key is. (It’s over there on the left–or did your pit bull chew it off?)


    Comment by jerry — October 29, 2011 @ 3:55 pm

  40. WOWWWW, obviously this Jerry character is a completely ignorant dumbass. Pit bulls used to be used as NANNY’S TO WATCH CHILDREN WHEN THEIR PARENTS WERE OUT AND ABOUT. So yeah….they just looooove eating kids faces. Jesus Jerry, You really are the more ignorant and least educated on dogs than anyone I’ve ever talked to! Posting a picture of the wrong dog. WOW…..IDIOT!!!

    Just shows how stupid you are. My Pit lives with 2 chichuas (who really should be registered before our pit because THEY are the vicious ones) and they chihuahuas run the house. My pit is scared of everything and licks everyone to death. SOOOOOO SCARYYYYY AHHH. TOO MANY KISSES FROM A PIT, GOTTA PUT HER DOWN NOW FOR SHOWING TOO MUCH LOVE TO US! What a dumbass you are, I feel bad for you because the saddest part is you dont even know how stupid you are. Its kinda funny. But have fun on your dead end journey to ignorantville. I think everyone on here just feels sorry for you, seeing that you obviously were raised to be an idiot.

    We all feel for you being so stupid, and wish you all the luck in the world when you and Vick get to visit all the real demons in hell, and the pits will befloating around in heaven. HA!

    Stupid people amaze me.

    Comment by AK — January 14, 2012 @ 1:41 am

  41. The one who made this site is a complete idiot, thats all. If anyone has read this then by that you should know what im talking about.

    Comment by pitbulls are great! — February 22, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  42. 1.) Since 1992, the breed most involved in fatal attacks has been the
    Rottweiler, not the pit bull.

    2.) Although there are no accurate or even near accurate census records
    for dogs in the U.S., in some populations pit bulls are estimated to
    comprise some 30-40% of the dog population, making it a very popular
    breed. Considering that there were an estimated 53,000,000 dogs in the
    U.S., and assuming that pit bulls make up 10% of that population, there
    would be approximately 5.3 million pit bulls in our society. In 2000, 13 pit
    bulls were involved in 8 fatal attacks. That is roughly ONE dog out of
    204,000 – or .000385 percent of the pit bull population.

    3.) Over the 37-year period from 1965-2001, pit bulls have been blamed
    for an average of 2.48 human fatalities per year.

    4.) About 40 people (children) per year die by drowning in 5-gallon water
    pails. A person, during their lifetime, is 16 times more likely to drown in a
    5-gallon water pail than to be killed by a pit bull.

    5.) Approximately 50 children in the US are killed every year by their cribs
    – 25 times the number of children and adults killed by pit bulls.

    6.) Approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts.
    Therefore, you are more than 60 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by a
    PALM TREE than a pit bull.

    7.) Each year, 350 people drown in their bathtubs. You are 151 times
    more likely to be killed by your bathtub than you are by a pit bull.

    8.) It is estimated that about 500 deaths per year are caused by aspirin.
    You are more than 200 times more likely to die from taking aspirin than
    from a pit bull attack.

    9.) Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their
    parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more
    than 800 times more likely to be killed by their adult caretaker than by a
    pit bull.

    10.) It is estimated that 5,000,000 dogs per year are killed in shelters.
    Since in many places pit bulls make up 30-50% of the shelter population,
    and are less likely to be considered for placement than any other breed,
    guessing that 25% of those dogs killed is a reasonable estimate.
    Therefore, it can be assumed that perhaps 1.25 million pit bulls are killed
    per year.

    Therefore – it is at least a HALF MILLION TIMES MORE LIKELY that a pit
    bull will be killed by a HUMAN than the other way around.

    11.) For every pit bull who kills, there are hundreds of thousands that

    Comment by Dawn — October 18, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  43. Dawn, I do appreciate that you are several cuts above the other folks from the organized pit bull lobby who weigh in here, calling names and running away giggling.

    However, your statistical analysis is a bit faulty. Apples and oranges.

    For example: In the last 60 years more people have been killed slipping on a banana peel than by nuclear bombs. Thus, bananas are more dangerous than nuclear bombs. Etc., etc.

    I’m glad you love your dog. I have always loved mine, too. Part of that love was knowing that it would never kill any of my children, that it couldn’t under any circumstance kill them. That has been important to me. We are different that way.

    Comment by Jerry — October 18, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  44. Wow Jerry … I actually came here because I saw a topic elsewhere on the Al(Jazeera)Gore Internet. For some reason I wondered if you had seen it . Probably because we both seem to like such things . The shiny fun baubles of the lower class intelligentsia 😉 )

    Lo and behold …. before I can even find a post to put it on … I see on your sidebar you are STILL duking it out over dogs ( perhaps we should set up a series of private discussion if I ever get my time management skills in order 🙂 )

    Any way … THIS (link below) was what caught my eye and led me to check in on you this year . When I was a young “precocious” child I remember my father engaging me in this “debate” he was having with someone else( I assumed cold froze faster than hot like most “educated” folks … what did I know ? LOL )

    The Royal Society of Chemistry just announced a winner to their contest that set out to explain why hot water freezes faster than water that starts out colder 🙂

    If I ever get organized enough to start forming my own syncretic political army I will consult with you for sure Jerry .

    You make a nice low intensity – long duration rabble rouser 🙂

    Comment by gmeeks — January 16, 2013 @ 3:30 am

  45. Hey, gmeeks! Haven’t seen you around for a while. Congrats on the Alabama team this year!

    I really haven’t been engaging the pit bull folks–they continue to engage me. Clearly their organization has their “GOOGLE Alerts” set to stun and they swarm in once in a while with either a “cut and paste” of “fact” or the usual metaphorical “pissing on my leg”. It’s a waste of breath of course, kind of like trying to debate gun control.

    How’s your investing going?

    Comment by jerry — January 16, 2013 @ 9:47 am

  46. Okay jerry … checking back before I get so distracted I let another year slide before replying . I actually had several things I wanted to to post to you … but when I ran across the link below it gave me an excuse to get back sooner and stay in touch ( a favorite excuse for chronic procrastinators is “I don’t have time to do everything I want so Ill wait till I do 🙂 )

    Anyway … apparently there has been some fight going on for a long time I was unaware of … over fonts ( not really surprising … people fight about everything nowdays … you should see the flame wars that go on over the proper ways to make certain cocktails or cook certain foods LOL )

    So this one blogger decided to make a test to see if any NORMAL (or SANE) person actually knew the difference between Arial and Helvetica …. ( I got all but one right by going for the slightly “beefier” more “refined” examples . Still … the things people find to fight about nowdays is amazing because I doubt seriously I would have ever noticed without the side by side setup and the drive to be “right” .

    I’ll check back with you for everything else later … when I stop procastinating 😉

    And with all that out of the way … I give you the font worlds version of Coke vs Pepsi

    Comment by gmeeks — January 21, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  47. I did get it right most of the time, but only 12 out of 20.

    Comment by Jerry — January 21, 2013 @ 12:02 pm

  48. Are you were that fucking ignorant? And just to let you know pittbulls were only 5 out of the ten most dangerous dog breeds the most dangerous dog is the Dalmatian and the most dangerous types are the high end types because of there in breeding to keep likeable traits.. all in all you just a stupid human and I hope a yorky bites your dick off #pussy

    Comment by en — January 26, 2013 @ 11:17 am

  49. Okay my sweet little pits are not two seconds from biting a toddlers face off, they have to be trained for that. Now if you were to try and spank or punish your kid in front of my dogs it’s probably your hand that will be missing my pits have a weakness for children and melt every time they see them and will protect a child from anything. If you have not owned the breed you really aren’t that educated on them. Your dog will bite somebody before mine does. And if someone things they are taking my dogs they are wrong I will shot them in the face. I sound pretty aggressive huh… That’s right I am so my dogs don’t have to be wanna pick on a breed pick on an ankle biter or a kick dog those annoying little yippy ones leave my Pits alone.

    Comment by Ciera — February 3, 2013 @ 3:57 pm

  50. PITBULL LOVER… Shut your face.
    First, I’d like to tell you I am also a Pit Bull lover, owner, and advocate.
    However, you’re the type of advocate that makes such arrogant and dumb remarks that do more harm to the cause than good… It actually furthers the anti-pit people’s cause by making you look like a fanatical nutter.
    How? You say?

    1. Where to start… you think shouting your entire post in caps is gonna make people genuinely read and consider what you say?

    2. Right off the bat, you state that dogs are like people. Dogs ARE NOT like people. Dogs have been bred for some specific PURPOSE. Humans weren’t! But dogs WERE, whether it be to perform a job, for companionship, or maybe just appearance. Pit Bulls, have been bred for work. No matter how much some overly defensive pit advocates wish to deny, the American Pit Bull Terrier was originally bred for BULL BAITING, not boar hunting. Once bull baiting became illegal, they went on to be bred for dog-on-dog combat in the pit, hence the “Pit Bull” part. They were bred for a intensely high prey drive, determination, and ANIMAL aggression. This is one thing these pit haters do not understand, the difference between animal aggression and human aggression. But anyways, it is NOT SOLELY ON HOW THEY’RE RAISED. Genetics play a huge part. You CANNOT love and pamper out genetics. They are DOG AGGRESSIVE. Realizing this I’m not very surprised if I see another pit bull growling in confrontation toward my dogs. Heck, my SCHNAUZER is dog aggressive. She would go crazy at any dog, big or small. But her being so small makes it less of a problem. but, give her a strong 50 pound body with a muscular build and, you’d have a problem. On the other hand, my Pit pup has yet to show signs of dog aggression, as she’s only 7 months old and DA won’t show until maturity. But regardless, I’m prepared for it. I anticipate it. I plan to separate my two girls once she reaches maturity.

    And P.S. the American Pit Bull Terrier was not considered “Nanny Dogs”…. That was the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. That’s NOT the same breed as the APBT, even though it’s under the “Pit Bull” category. But just cuz they’re in the same category doesn’t mean you can give credit from one breed to another.

    P.S. P.S:
    about those little “fun facts” about pits that you guys love to throw around…
    Petey in the film “The Little Rascals” was an AMERICAN BULLDOG.
    Stubby the war hero clearly appears to be a BOXER.
    Helen Keller’s dog was a BOSTON TERRIER.
    The RCA dog seems to be a JACK (or Parson) RUSSELL TERRIER.

    3. Oh the classic “they’re the best dogs ever!”
    Or “they’re just like any other dog!”
    You… DO realize that those statements do more harm than good, right? By telling this to a neutral yet uneducated person about pit bulls, you may be selling them a breed that may NOT fit their lifestyle. They may think “oh this dog is for everyone! Maybe I should get one.” The average joe owner then adopts one from a shelter, not knowing anything about the breed or their requirements, ends up chasing or killing the cat or whatever. You know that’ll be on the news. Anything this breed does will be on the news, which further smears the Pit Bull image… Sure, you may love your pit, i know i love mine, but many people dont… so why sell the breed as something it is not? This is an intense breed of dog, more so than other breeds. It is NOT a breed for everyone. So STOP SUGAR-COATING THEM!

    4. Oh so clever pointing the finger at other breeds saying they’re mean. Doing this only makes you just as bad as those saying pits are mean, as well as making you seem hypocritical. Nothing more…

    I’ll get off the soap box for now, I just can’t stand to see fanatical Pit advocates saying this kind of stuff… When it clearly is not true, it only shows that you are not a level headed person, let alone a responsible pit owner…

    Comment by K8lyn — May 25, 2013 @ 10:15 pm

  51. To Jerry, you say the wrong people choose these dogs or they attract the wrong people.

    Well… What about those who DIDN’T choose the dog?
    I, in fact did NOT choose the breed. I own one now, yes. But I did not go out and buy/adopt my dog. I found my Pit on the side of the road. She was so small, and her milk teeth (the first four canines) had just started to appear, so she was only about 3 WEEKS. She was so small we didn’t even think she had pit bull in her, we actually thought she was a Russell Terrier Mix XD (cuz she’s mainly white with brindle patches on her back) her ears also were semi prick like a small terrier mix.
    But once she got older we realized we probably had an American Staffordshire Terrier or APBT. But just because of the breed, would you give up the pup that you had raised and fed formula to and practically mothered since 3 weeks old? Maybe if you had a heart of stone. I simply would not give her up cuz of her breed. She is a sweet dog. However I do see that she’s already got a moderately high prey drive. So I try to let her release this drive by training her in disc dog, not on a spring pole. 🙂

    But anyways, don’t judge a book by its cover. I know the human brain has a tendency toward stereotyping. But not all of us pit owners are trailer park trash or thugs. Just like not all mexicans have a chihuahua for a dog, or German Shepherds are all police dogs, or poodles are all owned by fancy rich people. Lol

    Comment by K8lyn — May 25, 2013 @ 10:44 pm

  52. I have a pitbull…he is one of the best dogs >I< have
    Ever owned,he is sweet,non aggressive, that being
    said I still keep in the back off my head to watch out
    For him to do something crazy…just because its responsible
    To do.

    Comment by Ironathlete — July 14, 2013 @ 7:01 am

  53. I love when dogs are dangerous so that anyone can enter my property and if he dont care then my dogs will care about his ass ,,,,

    Comment by azagen muthusami — February 22, 2014 @ 9:34 am

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